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Old 04-14-2005, 07:24 AM   #16201
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I'm going bowling till this all blows over. Anyone want to join me?

I will. Gotta warn ya, though, it's been years.
Not a problem. From the looks of things, we'll have *lots* of time for practice!
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ARE WE STILL AT THIS ????

Why are we still all bickering back and forth about this. Gena, you've had your 15 minutes... five plus hours of fame. It is obvious that we're not going to change your mind and your not going to change ours.

Let us all sheath our claws and our acerbic repartee and call it OVER !!! Gena we hate PA(Teh corporation not the writers!) that will not change. PA suits your needs and puposes and fits your partucualr literary mission statement.. point taken.. good luck and godspeed may you be the exception to the rule.

My friends.. WE ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE !! AND NOT THE PURPLE PONY.

Gena if you're tryng to make some other point besides kicking up a hornet's nest then make it. The arguments on both sides are becoming circular and reptitive after five hours of continuous debate about issues we will never, ever agree on. Gena you've obtained your goal of immortality on this thread. Mission accomplished and we've refuted your point and counterpoints and other counterpoints and you've defended and redefended your position.

Let's respectfully agree that we're never going to see eye to eye. Also Gena I question your motives for posting here.. I smell self interest.. but I'm an overly suspicious character at best.

THis threads purpose is to expose PA for what it is a FRAUD your endless ramblings may have delayed that for an evening but it will not derail the ongoing topic. You have provded an enjopyable distraction from teh matter at hand, no more, no less. Enjoy your night of fame and brag about it over at PA but realize that you haven't changed anybody's mind here you've only served to further galvanize our postions. What you've gained here only you really know for sure.

For God sakes.. we're all adults..let's play nice and move on.. I've got a third book to write and Jenna needs a foot rub before her evening hot cocoa.

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Old 04-14-2005, 07:28 AM   #16203
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Gena is trying to get banned.

For those of us who post on AW we contrast ourselves with the PA message board we tell the truth. The AW board and the participants say that a poster won't be banned for conflicting opinions. You can tell the truth on the AW board without fear of condemnation.

I believe that Gena is trying to get herself banned from the AW board to prove a point.

Gena, it don't make no matter mind to me whatever you post. I wish you the best with your writing. I truly do.

This thread, this one, right here, is to let writers know that Publish America doesn't tell the truth about itself. Hey you, the guy with the thriller, don't consider PA as your publisher. And that lromance writer, don't go with PA. All of you writers out there, I have been you, I am still you. I believe in you. You have stories to tell. But if you give your story to Publish America, no one will ever hear of it.

Being published by PublishAmerica is worse, far worse, than never being published at all.

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Why are we still all bickering back and forth about this. Gena, you've had your 15 minutes... five plus hours of fame. It is obvious that we're not going to change your mind and your not going to change ours.

Let us all sheath our claws and our acerbic repartee and call it OVER !!! Gena we hate PA(Teh corporation not the writers!) that will not change. PA suits your needs and puposes and fits your partucualr literary mission statement.. point taken.. good luck and godspeed may you be the exception to the rule.

My friends.. WE ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE !! AND NOT THE PURPLE PONY.

Gena if you're tryng to make some other point besides kicking up a hornet's nest then make it. The arguments on both sides are becoming circular and reptitive after five hours of continuous debate about issues we will never, ever agree on. Gena you've obtained your goal of immortality on this thread. Mission accomplished and we've refuted your point and counterpoints and other counterpoints and you've defended and redefended your position.

Let's respectfully agree that we're never going to see eye to eye. Also Gena I question your motives for posting here.. I smell self interest.. but I'm an overly suspicious character at best.

THis threads purpose is to expose PA for what it is a FRAUD your endless ramblings may have delayed that for an evening but it will not derail the ongoing topic. You have provded an enjopyable distraction from teh matter at hand, no more, no less. Enjoy your night of fame and brag about it over at PA but realize that you haven't changed anybody's mind here you've only served to further galvanize our postions. What you've gained here only you really know for sure.

For God sakes.. we're all adults..let's play nice and move on.. I've got a third book to write and Jenna needs a foot rub before her evening hot cocoa.

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Please read Jenna and Victoria's comments because you are the one beating a dead horse.

No where have I tried or would try to change anyone's mind when they have been wronged.

For the last freaking time. I am posting my experience because I assumed this was a discussion board and it was allowed to have an opposing point of view

I agreed to disagree a long long time ago...I'm waiting on the some others to catch up.
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Old 04-14-2005, 07:34 AM   #16205
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For those of us who post on AW we contrast ourselves with the PA message board we tell the truth. The AW board and the participants say that a poster won't be banned for conflicting opinions. You can tell the truth on the AW board without fear of condemnation.

I believe that Gena is trying to get herself banned from the AW board to prove a point.

Gena, it don't make no matter mind to me whatever you post. I wish you the best with your writing. I truly do.

This thread, this one, right here, is to let writers know that Publish America doesn't tell the truth about itself. Hey you, the guy with the thriller, don't consider PA as your publisher. And that lromance writer, don't go with PA. All of you writers out there, I have been you, I am still you. I believe in you. You have stories to tell. But if you give your story to Publish America, no one will ever hear of it.

Being published by PublishAmerica is worse, far worse, than never being published at all.

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How am I trying to get banned when the moderators have stated I have done nothing to be banned for?

And what point could I possibly prove by being banned?
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Old 04-14-2005, 07:36 AM   #16209
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Both of the moderators have stated they had no reason to ban me. So obviously wishing doesn't make it so.

The hatred was there so you took it as gaming you but honestly other authors are not my market.
If you read carefully, you'll notice that I never wished you banned. I've never wished anyone banned from this forum, even some individuals who were.

Your own words in at least two places have stated that you're working the system. Gaming is my choice of words, but it means the same thing. Well, this forum is not here for you to work the system. It's here to appeal to other writers and this particular topic is meant to save other writers from misfortune. Your intent to work the system, with only that strictly in mind, is an abomination.

As well, I detest your all too obvious attempts to make it appear that some of us have stated things that we did not say. You stated, "But for the record I didn't say YOU SAID THAT. I said you were not the only person to mention her. AND then discuss how reputable she was."

The point is that you connected those two meanings into a single sentence, thereby giving the impression that I did state that. That is not honest of you.
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break's over - back to work!

and here's the great response to the editing question...

http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bi...ounge/8784.htm
Oh, and as for the myth about us using spellchecks, and other nonsense, here is what some of your peers have had to say recently:
Dr. Gerald Roe, author of "Terror in the Steel Mountains": "As to the editing process, I found PublishAmerica to be careful, detail oriented, and, on occasion, rather tough. It was obvious to me in the several "back and forths" with my own manuscript that a fine tooth comb was applied to my every word. As a college professor, I deal with editing, grading numerous student papers. The work is tough and exacting. There are times when even the closest scrutiny fails to spot every editorial need. Perhaps those who complain the loudest should spend more time developing their own editorial skills. We do, after all, claim to be writers."
John Shiffert, Director of University Relations, Clayton College & State University: "Please accept this note of highest commendation for "my" editor, Jennifer Hendershot. As a first time author, but also an editor (of books, and in the newspaper, magazine and business fields) of many years experience, I must tell you how impressed and appreciative I am of Ms. Hendershot’s work on my book, 'Baseball: 1862 to 2003'."
Eileen Bennett, author of "Incidental Tears": "YOU are my hero! I can't tell you how much I appreciate it... It was a joy having you as my editor!"
Gloria Lewis, author of "Rain on Red Clay": "Dear Sandee, You are a jewel of a lady. Your guidance in the editing process has made me feel so much better about my book. I hope PA pays you well because you more than earn your salary, having to deal with insecure writer such as this soul. I sincerely appreciate all your work and help. PS: I'll miss working with you."
We have over the years received literally thousands of such thank-you notes. That's the real story about our editing. So can we now go back to reality, please?

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If you read carefully, you'll notice that I never wished you banned. I've never wished anyone banned from this forum, even some individuals who were.

Your own words in at least two places have stated that you're working the system. Gaming is my choice of words, but it means the same thing. Well, this forum is not here for you to work the system. It's here to appeal to other writers and this particular topic is meant to save other writers from misfortune. Your intent to work the system, with only that strictly in mind, is an abomination.

As well, I detest your all too obvious attempts to make it appear that some of us have stated things that we did not say. You stated, "But for the record I didn't say YOU SAID THAT. I said you were not the only person to mention her. AND then discuss how reputable she was."

The point is that you connected those two meanings into a single sentence, thereby giving the impression that I did state that. That is not honest of you.
I believe you've pointed out my dishonesty before and decided that I dishonest and making exagerated claims.

You mentioned me being banned so I assumed that's what you wanted.

Why else bring it up when the moderators have spoken on it.?
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Yep. Playing us.

And for a woman who didn't want to put porn in her book, there certainly is some mighty cleavage on that book cover.
Jenna...I thought we agreed that my cover could not be discussed either.

Again...I am behaving and being attacked now. I think something needs to be said.

I am a PA author and I did go off on a woman on another board for bashing PA.

My book is not porn and neither is my cover.
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Yep. Playing us.

And for a woman who didn't want to put porn in her book, there certainly is some mighty cleavage on that book cover.
By the way the BS on your site ain't all that either.

I think I'll post a REVIEW.
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Well Gena, we've heard your view.. over and over and over and over and over and over again.

PA would not be as accomodating and you know that. Even if by some stretch you do get yourself swept away, you still haven't accomplished anything. You've been allowed your say, far more than your Publishers web site would allow.

Get your butt off your holy high horse and start acting like a reasonable mature adult. Enough with your seneless martydom (poor me I though I was free to post my opinion here). It's becoming too trasparent.

We've been polite despite your rudeness, despite your everchanging conflicting and rambling posts. But I grant you within your 100 plus posts in ONE EVENING you've actually managed to make some semi valid arguments.

I sincerely beleive that you are wearing out your welcome.
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And what point could I possibly prove by being banned?
Apologies to the moderators if this is out of line, but many before you, Gena, have used the premise of getting banned from AW (or other sites) to go back to the PA boards and proclaim how the 'bashers' do the same things that they deplore PA for doing...

They also make claims (falsely) about having their posts deleted...which is always exciting to listen to...

Not making a judgement call either way, but that may help to explain...
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The moderators have asked that the plates and my lawyer not be discussed further.

So obviously you missed that too.
I posted information about the plates and about your lawyer, to help you, before I got to the moderator's request.

"So obviously you missed that too": Another dig. That's what I was talking about when I said...oh, never mind.
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nah, she won't be banned.

now ignored - there's the ticket.

after all, she knows it all - what can we offer her since she knows everything there is to know about the world of publishing?

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Jenna...I thought we agreed that my cover could not be discussed either.

Again...I am behaving and being attacked now. I think something needs to be said.

I am a PA author and I did go off on a woman on another board for bashing PA.

My book is not porn and neither is my cover.
fine I won't discuss your cover or your book since your own website lists it as having an adult entertainment backdrop. I'll just let that sit while you go about smacking us down and bragging on the PA boards about it.
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actually, I believe they're talking about the Writer's Weekly forum - which had a long and fruitful thread full of PA authors who then came back a few months later after the truth came out...

funny thing is, that forum's been shut down for two or more weeks now thanks to a problem with the owners and some abusive posters - nothing to do with PA, but still...
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Well Gena, we've heard your view.. over and over and over and over and over and over again.

PA would not be as accomodating and you know that. Even if by some stretch you do get yourself swept away, you still haven't accomplished anything. You've been allowed your say, far more than your Publishers web site would allow.

Get your butt off your holy high horse and start acting like a reasonable mature adult. Enough with your seneless martydom (poor me I though I was free to post my opinion here). It's becoming too trasparent.

We've been polite despite your rudeness, despite your everchanging conflicting and rambling posts. But I grant you within your 100 plus posts in ONE EVENING you've actually managed to make some semi valid arguments.

I sincerely beleive that you are wearing out your welcome.
How can I control how accomadating PA is. I posted on a site that is not owned by anybody so that I could see more than one side of it.

You need to back the fugg up off this reasonable mature adult. There is no martyrdom here and I'm growing tired of the personal attacks ON ME.

I have not personally attacked anyone in here.

My rudeness ended pages ago as noted by the moderators but the rudeness to me continues.

I was NEVER welcome so how can I wear it out.
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Old 04-14-2005, 07:46 AM   #16225
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I'm going bowling till this all blows over. Anyone want to join me?
I'll join you Bard. I'm not very good but I do have fun. Maybe we can have the Mightly Pickler join us.
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