YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!

Christine N. · 02-08-2007, 02:58 AM

WTF? Tonight a courier shows up at my door. Inside is a lovely letter from our friend VCretella. Within, among a long list of my quotes from THIS MESSAGE BOARD, they tell me that I cannot call PA a scam.

No. Seriously. They went to all the trouble to look up my home address and paid a courier service to deliver it. I feel so special. Three pages of things I've said and why what I said is a lie. If I don't cease and desist, that they will sue me. Oh, and that they've send a bunch of things I've said to the AG's office. As if. I'll believe it when the Feds show up.

Yanno what, PA? Bring. It. On. I'm sure I could find a lawyer (or one will volunteer... Jaws, you listening?) to take you on in court.

Oh, and if I call them on the phone and discuss a 'settlement', they won't file charges or seek the damages in 'excess of $100,000 dollars'

You wait, yours is coming. I'm sure they aren't just targeting me.

If anyone wants a copy of this thing, I will be happy to scan it and send it along.

OFFICALLY, I believe PA to be a less than truthful about their business practices. I believe their sole purpose is to sell books to their authors, instead of using the business plan of mainstream commercial publishers. This is clearly my opinion, based on facts and anecdotal evidence.

If anyone's happy when they realize how PA operates, hey, more power to 'em. But someone has to clue them in before they sign.

Telling the truth is neither defamtory nor malicious.

Nice try, though. If you put the money into your authors that you put into the courier service...or heck, if they were even truthful about what they're doing, I'd shut up. Gladly.

So what do I do with this thing? Advice? Can I pass the hat for when they take me to court?

WildScribe · 02-08-2007, 03:00 AM

Teeheee!!! Wow!

ETA: PA IS A SCAM!!! So sue me...

Ken Schneider · 02-08-2007, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christine N.

WTF? Tonight a courier shows up at my door. Inside is a lovely letter from our friend VCretella. Within, among a long list of my quotes from THIS MESSAGE BOARD, they tell me that I cannot call PA a scam. So what do I do with this thing? Advice? Can I pass the hat for when they take me to court?

Yup, pass the hat my way.

Bite me Lar, Mo and Wil. I'll testify to their antics. Of sales of my books when right had been returned to me. How Meiners has already said they look to sell to authors. Want to lay out the sales records PA?

Dream thieves.

CatSlave · 02-08-2007, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christine N.

WTF? Tonight a courier shows up at my door. Inside is a lovely letter from our friend VCretella. Within, among a long list of my quotes from THIS MESSAGE BOARD, they tell me that I cannot call PA a scam.

No. Seriously. Three pages of things I've said and why what I said is a lie. If I don't cease and desist, that they will sue me. Oh, and that they've send a bunch of things I've said to the AG's office. As if. I'll believe it when the Feds show up.

Yanno what, PA? Bring. It. On. I'm sure I could find a lawyer (or one will volunteer... Jaws, you listening?) to take you on in court.

Oh, and if I call them on the phone and discuss a 'settlement', they won't file charges or seek the damages in 'excess of $1,000 dollars'

You wait, yours is coming. I'm sure they aren't just targeting me.

If anyone wants a copy of this thing, I will be happy to scan it and send it along.

OFFICALLY, I believe PA to be a less than truthful about their business practices. I believe their sole purpose is to sell books to their authors, instead of using the business plan of mainstream commercial publishers. This is clearly my opinion, based on facts and anecdotal evidence.

If anyone's happy when they realize how PA operates, hey, more power to 'em. But someone has to clue them in before they sign.

Telling the truth is neither defamtory nor malicious.

Nice try, though. If you put the money into your authors that you put into the courier service...or heck, if they were even truthful about what they're doing, I'd shut up. Gladly.

So what do I do with this thing? Advice? Can I pass the hat for when they take me to court?

Jeez Louise!
Would you provide a copy of the letter.
If we ALL get letters like that, let's combine forces in a countersuit.
Keep us posted.

JimmyD1318 · 02-08-2007, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christine N.

WTF? Tonight a courier shows up at my door. Inside is a lovely letter from our friend VCretella. Within, among a long list of my quotes from THIS MESSAGE BOARD, they tell me that I cannot call PA a scam.

No. Seriously. They went to all the trouble to look up my home address and paid a courier service to deliver it. I feel so special. Three pages of things I've said and why what I said is a lie. If I don't cease and desist, that they will sue me. Oh, and that they've send a bunch of things I've said to the AG's office. As if. I'll believe it when the Feds show up.

Yanno what, PA? Bring. It. On. I'm sure I could find a lawyer (or one will volunteer... Jaws, you listening?) to take you on in court.

Oh, and if I call them on the phone and discuss a 'settlement', they won't file charges or seek the damages in 'excess of $1,000 dollars'

You wait, yours is coming. I'm sure they aren't just targeting me.

If anyone wants a copy of this thing, I will be happy to scan it and send it along.

OFFICALLY, I believe PA to be a less than truthful about their business practices. I believe their sole purpose is to sell books to their authors, instead of using the business plan of mainstream commercial publishers. This is clearly my opinion, based on facts and anecdotal evidence.

If anyone's happy when they realize how PA operates, hey, more power to 'em. But someone has to clue them in before they sign.

Telling the truth is neither defamtory nor malicious.

Nice try, though. If you put the money into your authors that you put into the courier service...or heck, if they were even truthful about what they're doing, I'd shut up. Gladly.

So what do I do with this thing? Advice? Can I pass the hat for when they take me to court?

You have got to be kidding me! People have been calling PA a scam and so many different things for years now! Why target you? Yeah, send me a scanned copy of what they sent you! I want to read this little thing! If you need my email address PM me.

Christine N. · 02-08-2007, 03:09 AM

I need to clarify - it's not quotes from me, but a list of claims I've made (uh, and about a hundred other people here) and a list of why I'm wrong. Reads like a tone letter.

It's really rather funny, but my hubby is nervous.

You'll have to wait for the scan. My dad has the scanner, so I'll do it tomorrow.

JimmyD1318 · 02-08-2007, 03:12 AM

But still...how long has this thread been going on now? And they are just now trying to scare people about what's going on? Makes no sense what so ever.

And who is VCretella anyway?

Ken Schneider · 02-08-2007, 03:14 AM

Maybe they're hurtin' a little in the sales to authors department.

Cretalla is a real estate lawyer that PA draws like a gun at people when they get stung.

Christine N. · 02-08-2007, 03:15 AM

I've personally been posting on this thread for over two and a half years.

I think they're just trying to scare me. Ain't working. That real estate attorney they have working for them is just not that scary.

Yeah, they act like a) I'm the only one and b) I'm an idiot.

It's the old 'scare 'em to shut up' tactic. Ask Kevin what happened when the fake cop showed up at his house.

Ken Schneider · 02-08-2007, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christine N.

I've personally been posting on this thread for over two and a half years.

I think they're just trying to scare me. Ain't working. That real estate attorney they have working for them is just not that scary.

Yeah, they act like a) I'm the only one and b) I'm an idiot.

It's the old 'scare 'em to shut up' tactic. Ask Kevin what happened when the fake cop showed up at his house.

Like they've ever WON a court case!

roach · 02-08-2007, 03:19 AM

OMG Christine that is just too precious for words! Please do send me a copy if you get it scanned.

Man, I feel so left out. I never get any nasty PMs or threatening letters or anything. *kicks the ground*

ETA: Oh yeah, and PA is a scam run by a bunch of talentless wannabe writers.

*looks at the above line and nods to herself* Yeah that ought about do it.

Christine N. · 02-08-2007, 03:20 AM

LOLOLOLOL.

Hey, I'm sure I could stuff that courtroom with people to back me up.

What it tells me is that I've struck a nerve. I want to know if other COD authors have gotten them? Thinking I wasn't a big enough problem until then.

Either that or they had a list of names and threw a dart at it.

Roach, this is a first for me. Can I be one of the, oh what was it, Evil Eight or whatever it was? I get promoted!

LeslieB · 02-08-2007, 03:21 AM

This is nothing more than a scare tactic. They know that you would almost certainly talk about it, and they are hoping to frighten people into thinking that if they criticize PA they might get sued. But I'm betting that Jaws would positively salivate at the idea of dragging PA into open court.

PA, you are a scam. Now send me a letter. I have more lawyers on my Palm than most people have friends.

Queen of Swords · 02-08-2007, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christine N.

Can I pass the hat for when they take me to court?

I'll send you a book with a file in it.

One a more serious note, PA is a scam. Now whatcha gonna do? Call the RCMP out on me?

Christine N. · 02-08-2007, 03:24 AM

Is there a Holiday Inn in Frederick?

Think we could get a group rate?

CatSlave · 02-08-2007, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christine N.

Is there a Holiday Inn in Frederick?

Think we could get a group rate?

Use the same Holiday Inn that PA used for its convention.
The lawsuit gang would probably outnumber the PA convention attendees.
We could have a banquet and take photos afterwards for a new anti-PA website. Maybe arrange some speakers and read from Atlanta Nights and Crack of Death too.

Christine N. · 02-08-2007, 03:31 AM

Oh, wait, this one is priceless...

Quote:

Similarly, there is nothing deceptive about PA's[sic] "acceptance" of manuscripts. According to you, PA's use of the word "acceptance" when it offers contracts to potential authors creates the impression that PA's offer is equally as prestigous as an offer from Doubleday or Random House. This accusation is preposterous of course. Nowhere on its website does PA speculate that its acceptance carries as much weight as an acceptance by any other publisher. To the contrary, PA notes that it maintains "lower acceptance barriers" than other traditional publishers. How this might mislead potential authors in the manner suggested by you is absolutely perplexing.

Yeah, AN and COD were pretty low barriers. Vic, do you really think I haven't heard what goes on in the townhouse? Low acceptance barriers doesn't really describe it, eh?

Now I have to return to writing books to sell to commercial publishers that will be edited by real editors and sell for a reasonable cover price. They might even make it to the bookstore.

JimmyD1318 · 02-08-2007, 03:35 AM

I'm surprised that they haven't tried to go after Uncle Jim. He's been telling the truth about PA for a very long time. Makes you wonder what are they really up to.

Christine N. · 02-08-2007, 03:40 AM

I guess they figure I scare easier.

Dave K, if you want a copy for P&E, PM me. I know you read these boards, even if you don't post.

KTC · 02-08-2007, 03:40 AM

This reminds me of something we would do in class when the PA came on calling one of us to the principal's office. We would sing together...

"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooh, Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu gonna getttttitttt nowwwww."

Shall we begin!

Tell your hubby you're just as likely to get sued by the PA bastards as you are to answer your door to Ed McMahon and his 45 foot cheque for a million. Sure, you get the contest mail regularly, but where the hell is ED!

I can't wait to see the scan!

JimmyD1318 · 02-08-2007, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christine N.

I guess they figure I scare easier.

Dave K, if you want a copy for P&E, PM me. I know you read these boards, even if you don't post.

I guess they got that wrong! Looks to me that your one heck of a fighter!

Remind me to stay on your good side. I don't want to end up like this....

Christine N. · 02-08-2007, 03:48 AM

I just hate bullies.

JimmyD1318 · 02-08-2007, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christine N.

I just hate bullies.

So do I. Like I said if you get that crap scanned, I would like to take a look at it. This still sounds weird.

Rolling Thunder · 02-08-2007, 03:54 AM

Fools. Tipping their hand BEFORE discovery. That's gonna hurt them in court.

scarletpeaches · 02-08-2007, 03:54 AM

I'm suing everyone who participates in this thread, which has an offensive swearification in the title.

Oh no, wait...

02-08-2007, 02:58 AM	#1
Christine N. studies Library Science Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 7,112	YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!! WTF? Tonight a courier shows up at my door. Inside is a lovely letter from our friend VCretella. Within, among a long list of my quotes from THIS MESSAGE BOARD, they tell me that I cannot call PA a scam. No. Seriously. They went to all the trouble to look up my home address and paid a courier service to deliver it. I feel so special. Three pages of things I've said and why what I said is a lie. If I don't cease and desist, that they will sue me. Oh, and that they've send a bunch of things I've said to the AG's office. As if. I'll believe it when the Feds show up. Yanno what, PA? Bring. It. On. I'm sure I could find a lawyer (or one will volunteer... Jaws, you listening?) to take you on in court. Oh, and if I call them on the phone and discuss a 'settlement', they won't file charges or seek the damages in 'excess of $100,000 dollars' You wait, yours is coming. I'm sure they aren't just targeting me. If anyone wants a copy of this thing, I will be happy to scan it and send it along. OFFICALLY, I believe PA to be a less than truthful about their business practices. I believe their sole purpose is to sell books to their authors, instead of using the business plan of mainstream commercial publishers. This is clearly my opinion, based on facts and anecdotal evidence. If anyone's happy when they realize how PA operates, hey, more power to 'em. But someone has to clue them in before they sign. Telling the truth is neither defamtory nor malicious. Nice try, though. If you put the money into your authors that you put into the courier service...or heck, if they were even truthful about what they're doing, I'd shut up. Gladly. So what do I do with this thing? Advice? Can I pass the hat for when they take me to court? __________________ Christine Young Adult Fantasy Author The Mirror of Yu-Huang (The Library of Athena, Book Three): coming in 2010 WIP: YA Historical Fantasy/Fairy-Tale Adaptation - out on submission. I tweet Young Adult Authors You've Never Heard Of Last edited by Christine N.; 02-08-2007 at 03:08 AM.

02-08-2007, 03:00 AM	#2
WildScribe Hot Mama! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Garlic City Posts: 3,830	Teeheee!!! Wow! ETA: PA IS A SCAM!!! So sue me... __________________ ~Trepan Fox Wildscribe~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

02-08-2007, 03:09 AM	#6
Christine N. studies Library Science Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 7,112	I need to clarify - it's not quotes from me, but a list of claims I've made (uh, and about a hundred other people here) and a list of why I'm wrong. Reads like a tone letter. It's really rather funny, but my hubby is nervous. You'll have to wait for the scan. My dad has the scanner, so I'll do it tomorrow. __________________ Christine Young Adult Fantasy Author The Mirror of Yu-Huang (The Library of Athena, Book Three): coming in 2010 WIP: YA Historical Fantasy/Fairy-Tale Adaptation - out on submission. I tweet Young Adult Authors You've Never Heard Of

02-08-2007, 03:14 AM	#8
Ken Schneider Absolute sagebrush Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: location,location. Posts: 1,975	Maybe they're hurtin' a little in the sales to authors department. Cretalla is a real estate lawyer that PA draws like a gun at people when they get stung. __________________ J.D. Salinger told The New York Times in 1974. "Publishing is a terrible invasion of my privacy. I like to write. I love to write. But I write just for myself and my own pleasure." Last edited by Ken Schneider; 02-08-2007 at 03:16 AM.

02-08-2007, 03:15 AM	#9
Christine N. studies Library Science Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 7,112	I've personally been posting on this thread for over two and a half years. I think they're just trying to scare me. Ain't working. That real estate attorney they have working for them is just not that scary. Yeah, they act like a) I'm the only one and b) I'm an idiot. It's the old 'scare 'em to shut up' tactic. Ask Kevin what happened when the fake cop showed up at his house. __________________ Christine Young Adult Fantasy Author The Mirror of Yu-Huang (The Library of Athena, Book Three): coming in 2010 WIP: YA Historical Fantasy/Fairy-Tale Adaptation - out on submission. I tweet Young Adult Authors You've Never Heard Of

02-08-2007, 03:12 AM	#7
JimmyD1318 THE POPCORN MONSTER! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 898	But still...how long has this thread been going on now? And they are just now trying to scare people about what's going on? Makes no sense what so ever. And who is VCretella anyway?

02-08-2007, 03:19 AM	#11
roach annoyed and annoying Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago IL Posts: 624	OMG Christine that is just too precious for words! Please do send me a copy if you get it scanned. Man, I feel so left out. I never get any nasty PMs or threatening letters or anything. kicks the ground ETA: Oh yeah, and PA is a scam run by a bunch of talentless wannabe writers. looks at the above line and nods to herself Yeah that ought about do it. __________________ idiorhythmic: living by one's own life patterns Some authors write in first person and others write in third person. I'm writing my book in fifth person. So every sentence starts with "I heard from this guy who told somebody..."--Demetri Martin Last edited by roach; 02-08-2007 at 03:29 AM.

02-08-2007, 03:20 AM	#12
Christine N. studies Library Science Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 7,112	LOLOLOLOL. Hey, I'm sure I could stuff that courtroom with people to back me up. What it tells me is that I've struck a nerve. I want to know if other COD authors have gotten them? Thinking I wasn't a big enough problem until then. Either that or they had a list of names and threw a dart at it. Roach, this is a first for me. Can I be one of the, oh what was it, Evil Eight or whatever it was? I get promoted! __________________ Christine Young Adult Fantasy Author The Mirror of Yu-Huang (The Library of Athena, Book Three): coming in 2010 WIP: YA Historical Fantasy/Fairy-Tale Adaptation - out on submission. I tweet Young Adult Authors You've Never Heard Of

02-08-2007, 03:21 AM	#13
LeslieB Geek Unique Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 382	This is nothing more than a scare tactic. They know that you would almost certainly talk about it, and they are hoping to frighten people into thinking that if they criticize PA they might get sued. But I'm betting that Jaws would positively salivate at the idea of dragging PA into open court. PA, you are a scam. Now send me a letter. I have more lawyers on my Palm than most people have friends.

02-08-2007, 03:24 AM	#15
Christine N. studies Library Science Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 7,112	Is there a Holiday Inn in Frederick? Think we could get a group rate? __________________ Christine Young Adult Fantasy Author The Mirror of Yu-Huang (The Library of Athena, Book Three): coming in 2010 WIP: YA Historical Fantasy/Fairy-Tale Adaptation - out on submission. I tweet Young Adult Authors You've Never Heard Of

02-08-2007, 03:35 AM	#18
JimmyD1318 THE POPCORN MONSTER! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 898	I'm surprised that they haven't tried to go after Uncle Jim. He's been telling the truth about PA for a very long time. Makes you wonder what are they really up to.

02-08-2007, 03:40 AM	#19
Christine N. studies Library Science Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 7,112	I guess they figure I scare easier. Dave K, if you want a copy for P&E, PM me. I know you read these boards, even if you don't post. __________________ Christine Young Adult Fantasy Author The Mirror of Yu-Huang (The Library of Athena, Book Three): coming in 2010 WIP: YA Historical Fantasy/Fairy-Tale Adaptation - out on submission. I tweet Young Adult Authors You've Never Heard Of

02-08-2007, 03:40 AM	#20
KTC Sophisticated Boom Boom Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,634	This reminds me of something we would do in class when the PA came on calling one of us to the principal's office. We would sing together... "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooh, Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu gonna getttttitttt nowwwww." Shall we begin! Tell your hubby you're just as likely to get sued by the PA bastards as you are to answer your door to Ed McMahon and his 45 foot cheque for a million. Sure, you get the contest mail regularly, but where the hell is ED! I can't wait to see the scan! __________________ MY BLOG My YA novel SUMMER ON FIRE - Release Date - July 2011

02-08-2007, 03:48 AM	#22
Christine N. studies Library Science Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 7,112	I just hate bullies. __________________ Christine Young Adult Fantasy Author The Mirror of Yu-Huang (The Library of Athena, Book Three): coming in 2010 WIP: YA Historical Fantasy/Fairy-Tale Adaptation - out on submission. I tweet Young Adult Authors You've Never Heard Of

02-08-2007, 03:54 AM	#24
Rolling Thunder Elsewhere Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,086	Fools. Tipping their hand BEFORE discovery. That's gonna hurt them in court. __________________ "...there's a hormone secreted into the bloodstream of most writers that makes them hate their own work while they are doing it, or immediately after. This, coupled with the chorus of critical reaction from those privileged to take a first look, is almost enough to discourage further work entirely." --Francis Ford Coppola, "Letter to the Reader," Zoetrope magazine ------------------------------ Perfectionism is a bitter antagonist to the otherwise healthy mind.

02-08-2007, 03:54 AM	#25
scarletpeaches OM NOM NOM! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In my pyjamas Posts: 33,158	I'm suing everyone who participates in this thread, which has an offensive swearification in the title. Oh no, wait... __________________ Blog \| Twitter \| Buy Long Time Coming and read it with your eyes closed - it's that dirty. * Start writing, no matter what. The water does not flow until the faucet is turned on. --Louis L'Amour

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