[Agency] Objective Entertainment - Page 20

IWriteZombies · 06-14-2011, 04:50 AM

@Kmarshall - She isn't still there. Ms. Jote left and didn't notify her clients. The agency made no attempts at damage control with those clients. (I was one. I terminated my contract.) The agency isn't very organized right now. I strongly suggest you go elsewhere.

Brendan Deneen · 06-16-2011, 04:31 AM

Liz Jote is a great agent and, more importantly, a fantastic person.

wandergirl · 06-16-2011, 06:03 AM

Brendan, I've never met Liz, and maybe she is a fantastic person. However, I have to assume you're unaware of what has happened in recent weeks and months. Calling her a "great agent" is extremely insulting to her clients -- including two of my closest friends -- whose careers were put on hold for months or longer, who were lied to that they were on sub (for months!), who were stood up for call after call after call, and who had to learn their agent quit through the grapevine, not from her. I don't know what's going on in her life, what sort of situation she's in; I have to imagine it's something quite worrisome, considering recent events. But writers should not be told this behavior is even remotely acceptable for any agent -- let alone a "great" one.

tengraceapples · 10-21-2011, 01:15 PM

Hey guys!

I sent a query to Objective Ent. I sent it to Ms.Jote. They said she is no longer there but that they would be interested in the full ms. Has any one heard anything recently about OE? I read in past postings that they weren't organized. Has that changed?

I asked that bc I have been through ALOT w/ half A** lit agents. I would rather have no rep then rep that is inept. So, if you guys know any thing about OE, pls let me know: )

thx & happy writing: )

tengraceapples · 10-21-2011, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tengraceapples

Hey guys!

I sent a query to Objective Ent. I sent it to Ms.Jote. They said she is no longer there but that they would be interested in the full ms. Has any one heard anything recently about OE? I read in past postings that they weren't organized. Has that changed?

I asked that bc I have been through ALOT w/ half A** lit agents. I would rather have no rep then rep that is inept. So, if you guys know any thing about OE, pls let me know: )

thx & happy writing: )

Never mind guys. I read on the P&E site that they are not a good agency. oh well. Better knowing now than later.

jaksen · 10-21-2011, 04:28 PM

I have seen different versions of the agency website and this agent is still listed as working there.

(Including the one 'undergoing construction')

peace · 11-23-2011, 03:01 AM

If a lawyer looks over the contract and says it works, does that mean it's safe to sign?

Ruth2 · 11-23-2011, 03:25 AM

A contract can check out legally and still be squicky on the ethics. I don't know if this is the case or not here. If you are hesitant about signing with these people, I'd suggest you not do so.

peace · 11-23-2011, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruth2

A contract can check out legally and still be squicky on the ethics. I don't know if this is the case or not here. If you are hesitant about signing with these people, I'd suggest you not do so.

Thanks, Ruth. Much appreciated!

amyashley · 11-30-2011, 01:44 AM

Just wanted to post up for the record that I recieved an e-mail from this agency today "respectfully asking" that I submit the book they rejected more than a year ago to their new e-pub.

I have a feeling they sent out a form e-mail to a number of their rejected queries, probably a large number of them as it was one of my early query efforts before I had edited my MS up to a decent word count or respectable looking plot.

While I am sure the e-mail is legitimate, it felt awkward to me, and I wanted to let people know. It was not from the agent I originally queried.

IceCreamEmpress · 11-30-2011, 01:47 AM

Ugh, ugh, ugh. I guess that's not as bad as them spamming the "rejected" list with referrals to self-publishing services and editing services, but I think they should just leave the "rejected" lists ALONE.

Ken · 11-30-2011, 02:06 AM

... good name for the agency. Lots to "object" to.

Mythica · 12-24-2011, 09:32 PM

Objective is a good agency. In 2009, Liz sold my YA trilogy (Angelfire) to HarperCollins in a six figure deal before she left this past summer. Now Ian is handling the book series Liz sold. Rosemary Stimola handles everything of mine that isn't Angelfire-related.

Some things you need to understand about OE:
They represent mostly celebrities. That comes with its benefits and difficulties. Firstly, they have incredible contacts in the entertainment business.. music, film, television, you name it. They recently expanded their office to LA and are close with some of the biggest names in Hollywood. Secondly, they deal with editors and publishers of celebrities the same way they deal with editors and publishers of normal, uncool people like us. Interpret that how you will, but it's why Rosemary handles my YA fiction. OE is a good agency and superb at doing what they do.

Since everyone loves to jump on the hate bandwagon, please research what you're hating on before you go and do it. What Kirsten said is very true and we share the same friends who were injured, but that situation involves an agent who is no longer with OE. Ian and Jarred had no knowledge of anything that was going on. They are good guys and this is a good, specialized agency looking to break into the Children's market.

amyashley · 01-11-2012, 10:24 PM

Mythica, I'm not jumping on any hate bandwagon, and my post isn't directed at anyone specifically. I received an e-mail from this agency that felt extremely unprofessional to me and posted it in this thread so that others could judge for themselves. That is what BR&B is for.

I would encourage anyone to do research before querying or signing a contract.

I would like to point out (and this is why I revisited the thread today and saw replies to my post) that Writer Beware linked to this article, which may be relevant to the situation.

http://lunch.publishersmarketplace.c...n-epublishing/

I don't know if OE is still sending out invites to e-publish or not, but I am posting to make other writers aware and to help my peers be as informed as they can be. Hopefully, they are conducting business properly, and if they are reputable, I am sure they are.

IMO, being informed of the facts would simply make anyone querying know to keep both eyes open. That's always a good idea in this business anyway.

Janine K. · 03-12-2012, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica

They are good guys

It is a pretty well known fact that they are NOT good guys. You're either lying, naive about the industry, or woefully uninformed about them.

Parametric · 03-12-2012, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janine K.

It is a pretty well known fact that they are NOT good guys. You're either lying, naive about the industry, or woefully uninformed about them.

Not cool. The first rule of this board is to respect your fellow writer. If you have information, by all means share it. Insults we don't need.

Mythica · 04-01-2012, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janine K.

It is a pretty well known fact that they are NOT good guys. You're either lying, naive about the industry, or woefully uninformed about them.

As someone who has worked with OE since January 2009, I can assure you that this IS a good agency. They sold my trilogy for six figures. They know what they are doing. I have two books published with HarperCollins and a third on the way. I have the experience and knowledge to know what I'm talking about.

You must be pretty naive and woefully uninformed about etiquette and professionalism to think it's okay to enter a public forum and behave the way you do. Nice first impression on the publishing industry.

@Parametric *waves* Hey Eleanor!

AlterEgox5 · 04-26-2012, 07:09 AM

I thought I'd give them a shot and when I typed in an email address for Mr. Kleinert, it automatically came up. Curious, I did a search in my email and discovered that in 2009 I did contact them to let them know about everything I'd (apparently) read about their agency and wanted to know if they had any sort of rebuttal or comment.

I never received a reply.

Still, I think I'm going to try them because I'm familiar with several of the books on their site, including Ms. Moulton's (working at B&N helps). That and I'm running toward the end of my agent list now, so let's just call it an experiment, hmm?

madmumbler · 05-25-2012, 06:25 PM

Received an unsolicited email from them today. Any thoughts? And is it odd they cc'd someone else in their own agency with it? Not sure what to think of it.

Quote:

Meghan Kilduff mk@objectiveent.com
9:41 AM (9 minutes ago)

to me, jarred
Dear Tymber Dalton,

I am a literary agent and eBook publisher. Here at Objective Entertainment & Paperless Publishing, we are a big fan of your work. I am reaching out to you to discuss the possibility of representing your next book for publication, or publishing it under the Paperless Publishing name. We would love to speak with you about working together on your future writing, so please do email me or call me back at your convenience.

Best regards,

Meghan Kilduff
Objective Entertainment
609 Greenwich St. 6th Floor
New York, NY 10014
(212) 431-5454

Theo81 · 05-25-2012, 09:14 PM

I think spam, possibly.

If you were going to write back, I'd do it via a link on the main website rather than thwacking reply. I believe there are ways to make it look as though your email comes from somewhere it doesn't. Something about the language of that seems odd to me - but it may well simply be because it's probably been sent to many people. I seem to be feeling extra cautious today.

Is it an appropriate thing to offer you?

crushstar · 05-31-2012, 10:22 PM

I got the exact same email almost word for word. I was dumb enough to respond and then I got the same email sent to my 2nd pen name

The guy is super aggressive and very shady. Lots of promises to make you rich and famous.

Didn't take me long to figure out he's trying to dupe authors into giving him ebook rights for his ePub company "P@perless Publishing". Traditional agents must really be struggling now that so many of us are doing well selling our own ebooks directly.

JTGBOOKS · 08-31-2012, 01:15 AM

Hi,

I noticed these lasts posts dates back in '07, so I'm surprised that there hasn't been any updates for this year (2012). Any who, I'm seeking information from other people who has done research on this company, OBJECTIVE ENTERTAINMENT and I have been getting MIXED REVIEWS.

As any keen writer, I sent my query letter and chapter samples to this and all publishers I can think of. After months later and tons of "NO's", I finally got a "YES" from Obj. Ent. and a request to see my full manuscript. Well it's been two weeks and advice from friends and family asking me to do research on this company, I'm starting to get the nervousness.

Has anyone gotten the final yes for a confirm pre/post publication?

Contract information?

Compensation information?

Anyone ever communicated with a Ms. E. Jote?

Thanks,
JTGBOOKS

JTGBOOKS · 08-31-2012, 01:17 AM

MY BAD... never used threads before, i take back the whole time-dates of my last post...

Giant Baby · 08-31-2012, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTGBOOKS

...

Contract information?

Compensation information?

Anyone ever communicated with a Ms. E. Jote?

Thanks,
JTGBOOKS

Was it "Ms. E. Jote" who requested your manuscript? Elizabeth Jote left OE over a year ago, with no notice to (at least) some of her authors. Have you communicated with Ms Jote during this experience, or did you hear of her some other way? If it's the latter, she's no longer with the company. If the former, that's interesting information.

You mentioned that you've been submitting your manuscript to publishers. Did you query Objective Entertainment for agency representation, or did you submit your book to their sister e-pub, Paperless Publishing? Responses will vary, depending on what you were looking for.

Regardless, you might want to read back a page or ten. As you noted, reviews are mixed. It's good to be informed.

Kmarshall · 08-31-2012, 05:15 AM

IIRC, they got hacked. It was pretty nasty, too.

06-16-2011, 06:03 AM	#478
wandergirl ~kirsten hubbard Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: california Posts: 1,395	Brendan, I've never met Liz, and maybe she is a fantastic person. However, I have to assume you're unaware of what has happened in recent weeks and months. Calling her a "great agent" is extremely insulting to her clients -- including two of my closest friends -- whose careers were put on hold for months or longer, who were lied to that they were on sub (for months!), who were stood up for call after call after call, and who had to learn their agent quit through the grapevine, not from her. I don't know what's going on in her life, what sort of situation she's in; I have to imagine it's something quite worrisome, considering recent events. But writers should not be told this behavior is even remotely acceptable for any agent -- let alone a "great" one. __________________ ★ Like Mandarin & Wanderlove ★ (delacorte press, march 2011 & 2012) my blog

10-21-2011, 01:15 PM	#479
tengraceapples practical experience, FTW Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: out there Posts: 415	Objective Ent. good, bad or ugly??? Hey guys! I sent a query to Objective Ent. I sent it to Ms.Jote. They said she is no longer there but that they would be interested in the full ms. Has any one heard anything recently about OE? I read in past postings that they weren't organized. Has that changed? I asked that bc I have been through ALOT w/ half A** lit agents. I would rather have no rep then rep that is inept. So, if you guys know any thing about OE, pls let me know: ) thx & happy writing: ) __________________ And so it goes...

10-21-2011, 04:28 PM	#481
jaksen Caped Codder Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In MA, USA, across from a 17th century cemetery Posts: 3,945	I have seen different versions of the agency website and this agent is still listed as working there. (Including the one 'undergoing construction') __________________ Just sold Story No. 28! To EQMM! I am so happy. (New grandson, too. Life is good. ) Eeyore was saying to himself, “This writing business. Pencils and what-not. Over-rated if you ask me. Silly stuff. Nothing in it.” A.A. Milne Last edited by jaksen; 10-21-2011 at 04:29 PM.

11-23-2011, 03:01 AM	#482
peace Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 63	If a lawyer looks over the contract and says it works, does that mean it's safe to sign? Last edited by peace; 01-16-2012 at 11:42 PM.

11-23-2011, 03:25 AM	#483
Ruth2 Tam, na Koncu Drevoreda Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: In your dreams... Posts: 8,311	A contract can check out legally and still be squicky on the ethics. I don't know if this is the case or not here. If you are hesitant about signing with these people, I'd suggest you not do so. __________________ Screaming into the wind...

06-14-2011, 04:50 AM	#476
IWriteZombies New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2	@Kmarshall - She isn't still there. Ms. Jote left and didn't notify her clients. The agency made no attempts at damage control with those clients. (I was one. I terminated my contract.) The agency isn't very organized right now. I strongly suggest you go elsewhere.

06-16-2011, 04:31 AM	#477
Brendan Deneen New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5	Liz Jote is a great agent and, more importantly, a fantastic person.

11-30-2011, 01:44 AM	#485
amyashley Stunt-Writer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,240	Just wanted to post up for the record that I recieved an e-mail from this agency today "respectfully asking" that I submit the book they rejected more than a year ago to their new e-pub. I have a feeling they sent out a form e-mail to a number of their rejected queries, probably a large number of them as it was one of my early query efforts before I had edited my MS up to a decent word count or respectable looking plot. While I am sure the e-mail is legitimate, it felt awkward to me, and I wanted to let people know. It was not from the agent I originally queried. __________________ MOSTLY NORMAL (flying toddler book) on submission FLTR (dystopian fantasy insanity) OMG IT'S EATING MY BRAIN.

11-30-2011, 01:47 AM	#486
IceCreamEmpress Hapless Virago Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 6,451	Ugh, ugh, ugh. I guess that's not as bad as them spamming the "rejected" list with referrals to self-publishing services and editing services, but I think they should just leave the "rejected" lists ALONE. __________________ Find me at BookTweeting on Twitter for a book review a day, every day! JUST LAUNCHED: EbookCheapskate, where you'll find reviews of free and cheap ebooks (under $5 US)!

11-30-2011, 02:06 AM	#487
Ken an Eric Dolphy fan Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: AW. A very nice place! Posts: 8,345	... good name for the agency. Lots to "object" to.

12-24-2011, 09:32 PM	#488
Mythica Expert Gerbil Wrangler Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 273	Objective is a good agency. In 2009, Liz sold my YA trilogy (Angelfire) to HarperCollins in a six figure deal before she left this past summer. Now Ian is handling the book series Liz sold. Rosemary Stimola handles everything of mine that isn't Angelfire-related. Some things you need to understand about OE: They represent mostly celebrities. That comes with its benefits and difficulties. Firstly, they have incredible contacts in the entertainment business.. music, film, television, you name it. They recently expanded their office to LA and are close with some of the biggest names in Hollywood. Secondly, they deal with editors and publishers of celebrities the same way they deal with editors and publishers of normal, uncool people like us. Interpret that how you will, but it's why Rosemary handles my YA fiction. OE is a good agency and superb at doing what they do. Since everyone loves to jump on the hate bandwagon, please research what you're hating on before you go and do it. What Kirsten said is very true and we share the same friends who were injured, but that situation involves an agent who is no longer with OE. Ian and Jarred had no knowledge of anything that was going on. They are good guys and this is a good, specialized agency looking to break into the Children's market. __________________ http://www.courtneyallisonmoulton.com/ http://courtney-allison.blogspot.com/ http://twitter.com/camoulton Author of the ANGELFIRE series from HarperCollins / Katherine Tegen Books ANGELFIRE (2.15.2011) WINGS OF THE WICKED (2.1.2011) Angelfire #3 (TBA 2013)

01-11-2012, 10:24 PM	#489
amyashley Stunt-Writer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,240	Mythica, I'm not jumping on any hate bandwagon, and my post isn't directed at anyone specifically. I received an e-mail from this agency that felt extremely unprofessional to me and posted it in this thread so that others could judge for themselves. That is what BR&B is for. I would encourage anyone to do research before querying or signing a contract. I would like to point out (and this is why I revisited the thread today and saw replies to my post) that Writer Beware linked to this article, which may be relevant to the situation. http://lunch.publishersmarketplace.c...n-epublishing/ I don't know if OE is still sending out invites to e-publish or not, but I am posting to make other writers aware and to help my peers be as informed as they can be. Hopefully, they are conducting business properly, and if they are reputable, I am sure they are. IMO, being informed of the facts would simply make anyone querying know to keep both eyes open. That's always a good idea in this business anyway. __________________ MOSTLY NORMAL (flying toddler book) on submission FLTR (dystopian fantasy insanity) OMG IT'S EATING MY BRAIN.

04-26-2012, 07:09 AM	#493
AlterEgox5 Expert Procrastinator Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: That other half of Missouri Posts: 579	I thought I'd give them a shot and when I typed in an email address for Mr. Kleinert, it automatically came up. Curious, I did a search in my email and discovered that in 2009 I did contact them to let them know about everything I'd (apparently) read about their agency and wanted to know if they had any sort of rebuttal or comment. I never received a reply. Still, I think I'm going to try them because I'm familiar with several of the books on their site, including Ms. Moulton's (working at B&N helps). That and I'm running toward the end of my agent list now, so let's just call it an experiment, hmm? __________________ Blood for Wolves available HERE! [Need a Good Book?] http://abooksellerblog.blogspot.com [Writing Away] http://altrambles.blogspot.com Last edited by AlterEgox5; 04-26-2012 at 07:15 AM.

05-25-2012, 09:14 PM	#495
Theo81 Has a horse, unlike you. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wearing the Tudor Green Posts: 1,302	I think spam, possibly. If you were going to write back, I'd do it via a link on the main website rather than thwacking reply. I believe there are ways to make it look as though your email comes from somewhere it doesn't. Something about the language of that seems odd to me - but it may well simply be because it's probably been sent to many people. I seem to be feeling extra cautious today. Is it an appropriate thing to offer you?

05-31-2012, 10:22 PM	#496
crushstar New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1	I got the exact same email almost word for word. I was dumb enough to respond and then I got the same email sent to my 2nd pen name The guy is super aggressive and very shady. Lots of promises to make you rich and famous. Didn't take me long to figure out he's trying to dupe authors into giving him ebook rights for his ePub company "P@perless Publishing". Traditional agents must really be struggling now that so many of us are doing well selling our own ebooks directly.

08-31-2012, 01:15 AM	#497
JTGBOOKS New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3	Objective Entertainment responses... Hi, I noticed these lasts posts dates back in '07, so I'm surprised that there hasn't been any updates for this year (2012). Any who, I'm seeking information from other people who has done research on this company, OBJECTIVE ENTERTAINMENT and I have been getting MIXED REVIEWS. As any keen writer, I sent my query letter and chapter samples to this and all publishers I can think of. After months later and tons of "NO's", I finally got a "YES" from Obj. Ent. and a request to see my full manuscript. Well it's been two weeks and advice from friends and family asking me to do research on this company, I'm starting to get the nervousness. Has anyone gotten the final yes for a confirm pre/post publication? Contract information? Compensation information? Anyone ever communicated with a Ms. E. Jote? Thanks, JTGBOOKS

08-31-2012, 01:17 AM	#498
JTGBOOKS New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3	OOOOPS MY BAD... never used threads before, i take back the whole time-dates of my last post...

08-31-2012, 05:15 AM	#500
Kmarshall practical experience, FTW Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 374	IIRC, they got hacked. It was pretty nasty, too.

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