[Agency] Objective Entertainment - Page 5

tasha43055 · 01-26-2009, 12:46 AM

I also got the same email today from Tracy. Weird.

HippieGirl · 01-26-2009, 12:47 AM

I'm not offended by them, but thought it was very bizaare of a response. They do have a good history of selling books, so I didn't want to just write them off. I sent a response asking for clarification.

BTW - I did see that EJote forwarded my message to Tracey without any note to Tracey, so I assume that Tracey's job is to send out these inquiries, and that maybe Elizabeth passed - but a normal - pass - or request for more would have been easier to interpret.

HippieGirl · 01-26-2009, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tasha43055

I also got the same email today from Tracy. Weird.

Really!! Then it must be her job to do this. What did you do in response?

tasha43055 · 01-26-2009, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HippieGirl

Really!! Then it must be her job to do this. What did you do in response?

Nothing yet. Not sure what to do.

callalily61 · 01-26-2009, 12:55 AM

EJ has had my partial for something like 4 months. I'm writing it off as a non-response.

HippieGirl · 01-26-2009, 12:56 AM

I went to her blog and posted the question b/c she was chatting about submissions - we'll see if she can explain what Tracey meant. But I will be highly disappointed if she is referring us to a place as noted above...

tasha43055 · 01-26-2009, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HippieGirl

I went to her blog and posted the question b/c she was chatting about submissions - we'll see if she can explain what Tracey meant. But I will be highly disappointed if she is referring us to a place as noted above...

Good idea. I am interested in what she will have to say.

Ms. Jem · 01-26-2009, 01:21 AM

On 11/19/08, I emailed query/synopsis/5 pgs to Ian Kleinert.
On 1/6/09, Jarred Weisfeld forwarded my message to Tracey Ravanelle.

Below is my version of the letter Gunshark, HippieGirl, and Tasha received, sent to me from Tracey Ravenelle via email today.

I also responded with a question for clarification. Now I'm on OE watch.

Thank you so much for contacting us at Objective Entertainment. We have
reviewed your material and we would like to refer you to one of our
Publishers who we trust and believe will be able to serve you best. In
order to do this I need your permission and the following information so
they can either contact you via Phone or Email. The following information
we need is if you would like to receive their newsletter and special offers.
I think this is an amazing opportunity for you.

Please reply with the information we asked so that we can get you that one
step closer to getting your work published!

Best,

Tracey Ravenelle
Objective Entertainment

HippieGirl · 01-26-2009, 01:32 AM

This is what I just received in response from Tracey:

"Melissa we want you to talk to a publisher we work with they will contact you ok?'

I then sent this back and received the following immediate reply:

"Sure. Does this mean Elizabeth is interested in representing me"

Her reply:
"Elizabeth will if the work is a success"

WTH does that mean??? They don't even have my manuscript - Do I have this wrong? Doesn't it go to an Agent, then to a publisher after it's gone through whatever rewrites/edits the Agent thinks is necessary?

Karen Duvall · 01-26-2009, 01:33 AM

Ooh, check this out. Then read the comments, the last of which is from EJ herself. WTF? Sounds like her tune has changed to what folks have been seeing in their inboxes lately. It appears she's contradicting herself now.

tasha43055 · 01-26-2009, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HippieGirl

This is what I just received in response from Tracey:

"Melissa we want you to talk to a publisher we work with they will contact you ok?'

I then sent this back and received the following immediate reply:

"Sure. Does this mean Elizabeth is interested in representing me"

Her reply:
"Elizabeth will if the work is a success"

WTH does that mean??? They don't even have my manuscript - Do I have this wrong? Doesn't it go to an Agent, then to a publisher after it's gone through whatever rewrites/edits the Agent thinks is necessary?

Sounds like a scam to me. This must be there way of rejecting people without sounding harsh. Now what is your plan?

Karen Duvall · 01-26-2009, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HippieGirl

This is what I just received in response from Tracey:

"Melissa we want you to talk to a publisher we work with they will contact you ok?'

I then sent this back and received the following immediate reply:

"Sure. Does this mean Elizabeth is interested in representing me"

Her reply:
"Elizabeth will if the work is a success"

WTH does that mean??? They don't even have my manuscript - Do I have this wrong? Doesn't it go to an Agent, then to a publisher after it's gone through whatever rewrites/edits the Agent thinks is necessary?

It means that once your self-published book is a success, and you've spent every last penny in your savings account and your children's college fundto publish and promote your book, EJ will consider representing you to legitimate publishers. Not cool. Not cool at all.

tasha43055 · 01-26-2009, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen Duvall

It means that once your self-published book is a success, and you've spent every last penny in your savings account and your children's college fundto publish and promote your book, EJ will consider representing you to legitimate publishers. Not cool. Not cool at all.

Rip off. I would rather have gotten nothing back and she should be ashamed of herself for this.

HippieGirl · 01-26-2009, 01:42 AM

I saw that debate on her blog...

I just replied by saying, "Is there anything further you need from me? What publisher should I expect to hear from?"

BTW - They DON'T have my manuscript -or anything other than my query. I am not self-publishing, so if that's where this is headed, then forget it! Why, though, are they doing this if they have a reputation of selling books?

It does sound too scammy for me, too.

Ms. Jem · 01-26-2009, 01:43 AM

Thanks Karen,

Hmm, very interesting... It makes you wonder what's going on over there.

tasha43055 · 01-26-2009, 01:44 AM

I just left a comment on her site but not sure if she will answer.

HippieGirl · 01-26-2009, 01:49 AM

This whole thing is rubbing me the wrong way. I've requested the name of the publisher and an explanation of the process she is suggesting. Quite frankly, if this is how Elizabeth Jote does business, it's not at all what I expected. And Tracey is not clear and is very evasive.

Jackson76 · 01-26-2009, 01:55 AM

Has anyone tried contacting Elizabeth about these emails from Tracey?

Something seem fishy? The terrible grammar and the forward nature of the responses just seems inconsistent with what I know about Objective and Elizabeth.

callalily61 · 01-26-2009, 02:19 AM

I just sent a status Q about the partial she's had since 9/16. I'll keep y'all updated.

HippieGirl · 01-26-2009, 02:39 AM

I cc'd Elizabeth on my correspondence with Tracey as well as posting on her blog to get clarification. We'll see what happens!

HippieGirl · 01-26-2009, 02:45 AM

Okay, well, I sent a note saying I was not interested until I had clarification of her process and the name of the publishers and here is our answer:

"author house or iuniverse they have the number 5 book on this weeks NY times list."

So there you have it!
Can anyone tell me why an agent is referring to a self publishing house?

Ms. Jem · 01-26-2009, 02:57 AM

No response to my question for clarification, maybe the week will bring more complete information.

This agency has some very professional folks heading it. I can't wait to see how this pans out.

callalily61 · 01-26-2009, 02:59 AM

This may be totally off the wall, but could someone have hacked into their system? A reply from a respected agency with such obvious typos and punctuation errors just smells... off to me.

Ms. Jem · 01-26-2009, 03:03 AM

Anything is possible.

And I can't help thinking - it's the weekend, full staff is not in. Things may be going out without polish.

The Gunshark · 01-26-2009, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ms. Jem

Anything is possible.

And I can't help thinking - it's the weekend, full staff is not in. Things may be going out without polish.

Like it or not, it is a major red flag for a literary agency. However respectable they may have seemed, this is unprofessional and wrong.

01-26-2009, 12:46 AM	#101
tasha43055 Writer For Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: O-H-I-O Posts: 180	I also got the same email today from Tracy. Weird. __________________ My blog- Tasha One current WIP- No title

01-26-2009, 12:47 AM	#102
HippieGirl practical experience, FTW Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Unfortunately, not Cape Cod.. Posts: 219	I'm not offended by them, but thought it was very bizaare of a response. They do have a good history of selling books, so I didn't want to just write them off. I sent a response asking for clarification. BTW - I did see that EJote forwarded my message to Tracey without any note to Tracey, so I assume that Tracey's job is to send out these inquiries, and that maybe Elizabeth passed - but a normal - pass - or request for more would have been easier to interpret. __________________ Founder, The Women's Nest, a social network for women only - no sales/spamadvice, friendship, and fun! Join us and escape the chaos of your daily life! Enjoy each day. No one else will do it for you

01-26-2009, 12:55 AM	#105
callalily61 The Girl in the Steampunk Hat AW Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Non carborundum illegitimi Posts: 25,527	EJ has had my partial for something like 4 months. I'm writing it off as a non-response. __________________ <-- We're links to our Amazon pages!

01-26-2009, 12:56 AM	#106
HippieGirl practical experience, FTW Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Unfortunately, not Cape Cod.. Posts: 219	I went to her blog and posted the question b/c she was chatting about submissions - we'll see if she can explain what Tracey meant. But I will be highly disappointed if she is referring us to a place as noted above... __________________ Founder, The Women's Nest, a social network for women only - no sales/spamadvice, friendship, and fun! Join us and escape the chaos of your daily life! Enjoy each day. No one else will do it for you

01-26-2009, 01:21 AM	#108
Ms. Jem Edits... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the age of Aquarius Posts: 1,837	On 11/19/08, I emailed query/synopsis/5 pgs to Ian Kleinert. On 1/6/09, Jarred Weisfeld forwarded my message to Tracey Ravanelle. Below is my version of the letter Gunshark, HippieGirl, and Tasha received, sent to me from Tracey Ravenelle via email today. I also responded with a question for clarification. Now I'm on OE watch. Thank you so much for contacting us at Objective Entertainment. We have reviewed your material and we would like to refer you to one of our Publishers who we trust and believe will be able to serve you best. In order to do this I need your permission and the following information so they can either contact you via Phone or Email. The following information we need is if you would like to receive their newsletter and special offers. I think this is an amazing opportunity for you. Please reply with the information we asked so that we can get you that one step closer to getting your work published! Best, Tracey Ravenelle Objective Entertainment __________________ Write Romance, Scifi/Fantasy or Horror? Be a guest on my blog! Website \| /Blog/Facebook Amazon \| Liquid Silver Books Last edited by Ms. Jem; 01-27-2009 at 08:08 PM.

01-26-2009, 01:32 AM	#109
HippieGirl practical experience, FTW Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Unfortunately, not Cape Cod.. Posts: 219	This is what I just received in response from Tracey: "Melissa we want you to talk to a publisher we work with they will contact you ok?' I then sent this back and received the following immediate reply: "Sure. Does this mean Elizabeth is interested in representing me" Her reply: "Elizabeth will if the work is a success" WTH does that mean??? They don't even have my manuscript - Do I have this wrong? Doesn't it go to an Agent, then to a publisher after it's gone through whatever rewrites/edits the Agent thinks is necessary? __________________ Founder, The Women's Nest, a social network for women only - no sales/spamadvice, friendship, and fun! Join us and escape the chaos of your daily life! Enjoy each day. No one else will do it for you

01-26-2009, 01:33 AM	#110
Karen Duvall Chalice the Hatchet Knight Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 1,999	Ooh, check this out. Then read the comments, the last of which is from EJ herself. WTF? Sounds like her tune has changed to what folks have been seeing in their inboxes lately. It appears she's contradicting herself now. __________________ Karen Duvall Blog Website Twitter Facebook ***************************** KNIGHT'S CURSE** -- A Publisher's Weekly Top 10 Pick for Fall 2011 (Harlequin Luna) DARKEST KNIGHT -- Sequel to KNIGHT'S CURSE released March 2012 (Harlequin Luna) SUN STORM -- Novella in Harlequin's TIL THE WORLD ENDS Anthology

01-26-2009, 01:42 AM	#114
HippieGirl practical experience, FTW Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Unfortunately, not Cape Cod.. Posts: 219	I saw that debate on her blog... I just replied by saying, "Is there anything further you need from me? What publisher should I expect to hear from?" BTW - They DON'T have my manuscript -or anything other than my query. I am not self-publishing, so if that's where this is headed, then forget it! Why, though, are they doing this if they have a reputation of selling books? It does sound too scammy for me, too. __________________ Founder, The Women's Nest, a social network for women only - no sales/spamadvice, friendship, and fun! Join us and escape the chaos of your daily life! Enjoy each day. No one else will do it for you

01-26-2009, 01:43 AM	#115
Ms. Jem Edits... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the age of Aquarius Posts: 1,837	Thanks Karen, Hmm, very interesting... It makes you wonder what's going on over there. __________________ Write Romance, Scifi/Fantasy or Horror? Be a guest on my blog! Website \| /Blog/Facebook Amazon \| Liquid Silver Books

01-26-2009, 01:44 AM	#116
tasha43055 Writer For Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: O-H-I-O Posts: 180	I just left a comment on her site but not sure if she will answer. __________________ My blog- Tasha One current WIP- No title

01-26-2009, 01:49 AM	#117
HippieGirl practical experience, FTW Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Unfortunately, not Cape Cod.. Posts: 219	Asked for further info This whole thing is rubbing me the wrong way. I've requested the name of the publisher and an explanation of the process she is suggesting. Quite frankly, if this is how Elizabeth Jote does business, it's not at all what I expected. And Tracey is not clear and is very evasive. __________________ Founder, The Women's Nest, a social network for women only - no sales/spamadvice, friendship, and fun! Join us and escape the chaos of your daily life! Enjoy each day. No one else will do it for you

01-26-2009, 01:55 AM	#118
Jackson76 New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 15	Has anyone tried contacting Elizabeth about these emails from Tracey? Something seem fishy? The terrible grammar and the forward nature of the responses just seems inconsistent with what I know about Objective and Elizabeth.

01-26-2009, 02:19 AM	#119
callalily61 The Girl in the Steampunk Hat AW Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Non carborundum illegitimi Posts: 25,527	I just sent a status Q about the partial she's had since 9/16. I'll keep y'all updated. __________________ <-- We're links to our Amazon pages!

01-26-2009, 02:39 AM	#120
HippieGirl practical experience, FTW Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Unfortunately, not Cape Cod.. Posts: 219	I cc'd Elizabeth on my correspondence with Tracey as well as posting on her blog to get clarification. We'll see what happens! __________________ Founder, The Women's Nest, a social network for women only - no sales/spamadvice, friendship, and fun! Join us and escape the chaos of your daily life! Enjoy each day. No one else will do it for you

01-26-2009, 02:45 AM	#121
HippieGirl practical experience, FTW Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Unfortunately, not Cape Cod.. Posts: 219	Okay, well, I sent a note saying I was not interested until I had clarification of her process and the name of the publishers and here is our answer: "author house or iuniverse they have the number 5 book on this weeks NY times list." So there you have it! Can anyone tell me why an agent is referring to a self publishing house? __________________ Founder, The Women's Nest, a social network for women only - no sales/spamadvice, friendship, and fun! Join us and escape the chaos of your daily life! Enjoy each day. No one else will do it for you

01-26-2009, 02:57 AM	#122
Ms. Jem Edits... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the age of Aquarius Posts: 1,837	No response to my question for clarification, maybe the week will bring more complete information. This agency has some very professional folks heading it. I can't wait to see how this pans out. __________________ Write Romance, Scifi/Fantasy or Horror? Be a guest on my blog! Website \| /Blog/Facebook Amazon \| Liquid Silver Books

01-26-2009, 02:59 AM	#123
callalily61 The Girl in the Steampunk Hat AW Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Non carborundum illegitimi Posts: 25,527	This may be totally off the wall, but could someone have hacked into their system? A reply from a respected agency with such obvious typos and punctuation errors just smells... off to me. __________________ <-- We're links to our Amazon pages!

01-26-2009, 03:03 AM	#124
Ms. Jem Edits... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the age of Aquarius Posts: 1,837	Anything is possible. And I can't help thinking - it's the weekend, full staff is not in. Things may be going out without polish. __________________ Write Romance, Scifi/Fantasy or Horror? Be a guest on my blog! Website \| /Blog/Facebook Amazon \| Liquid Silver Books

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