The Next Circle of Hell

[kellion92]

Originally Posted by Other Lisa

Lily, this guy also presents himself as a moral person who thinks that sexual content in YA literature is teh Eeeeevil.

Oh yeah, I remember him freaking out on NB's blog when NB described a YA novel as sexy. GJ may literally have called NB a child pornographer, or he may have just come close. He's a bit of nutter.

[OL]

Originally Posted by kellion92

Oh yeah, I remember him freaking out on NB's blog when NB described a YA novel as sexy. GJ may literally have called NB a child pornographer, or he may have just come close. He's a bit of nutter.

Kellion, yep. I was sooo angry and outraged about that. So out of line. I don't think there's a more genuinely moral agent out there than NB. I like how this @sshole takes advantage of the ones who are out there trying to help and build community. His latest target RG also seems like a fine person.

[HappyCamper]

Have some new sparkly ideas to add to the new WIP! Unfortunately, it means deleting a third of what I've written so far. Fun.

Originally Posted by YAwriter72

I fixed it!! Man oh man, that was a bad one.

But I totally used up my motivation for the day effing with that, so now I'm just cleaning. And working around dh. He got laid off last week and so he's around on Saturdays now. I sent him to the dump with the trash, LOL.

{{{YA}}}. I'm on my second Mac and have no regrets. You might want to look into it.

Originally Posted by TrixieLox

Have ya'll seen this ridiculous post by a bitter 'writer' about the lovely agent Rachelle Gardner? Click here.

Good grief. What a psycho.

[YAwriter72]

Originally Posted by HappyCamper

{{{YA}}}. I'm on my second Mac and have no regrets. You might want to look into it.

I bought hubs a Macbook Pro for Christmas and when he was neenering me today, I told him I would so take it back and keep it for myself! LOL

[Juneluv12]

Originally Posted by YAwriter72

I bought hubs a Macbook Pro for Christmas and when he was neenering me today, I told him I would so take it back and keep it for myself! LOL

I just got a refurbed Macbook, and I'm loving it so far. My Dell PC was trying me nuts getting viruses even after I had Macafee and all that crap. I don't know what the deal is with the spyware. Ugh!

[Wordwrestler]

I've never had anything but a mac. Got my 1st in 1989. Love 'em!

[OL]

I've had only Macs with the exception of my very first computer...an Amiga!

[YAwriter72]

My hubs is a Mac guy (He's a graphic designer) but I have always loved my PC's. My baby is fixed and is wearing the latest and greatest in Spam and Antivirus wear for this season. LOL Just so glad we have a house full of computers that I could use to circumvent into mine!

Trying to write today. Am doing it a little different, just going through and writing out various scenes I jotted down. I will cut and paste them when needed, but for now, at least I'm writing!

[soulcascade]

PHEW! Man oh man am I EVER behind!

Originally Posted by Juneluv12

Can I ask you guys a question?

I've really noticed lately how hesitant I am to share that I've gotten 3 passes. In the past, I went on the B and B boards and let it all hang out. Why do you think this is different?

What really made me want to be more honest and upfront was rereading the thread with Cindy Pon and Hannah M's pub rejection stats. They were so uplifiting that I realized that I needed to be out there with it! lOL

Humm when I was in query hell, I posted some rejections and others I just didn't bother. I think I was more disheartened than anything else. Just couldn't be bothered keeping track of a never-ending stream of rejections. Though editor rejections sting a little more

Originally Posted by wittyusernamehere

lol. I feel you on this. I was over here flaunting my rejects, but then I saw the tenth circle thread start, and I had to lurk over there. And man, lurking on a thread and desperately wanting to be on it, and thinking, 'holy cow, I am jealous of people in Hell?!?' totally messed with me.

(no offense intended, I like the burn of jealousy. Is motivating!)

Haha! Before I got an agent I was TOTALLY envious of people in the no news thread because a lot of them had agents already. I wanted to join but felt I had to get an agent first so I could 'graduate' onto that thread, wierd, no?

Originally Posted by MissKris

Yes, but Stephanie posted them after she was published. At that point, I couldn't care less about who might have passed on the ms. Neither I, personally, nor the editors considering my work, nor my agent are going to be affected by stats that aren't real time.

I'm quite private about the submissions process, too, but it's also not on the forefront of my mind right now. My current ms is and it's a blessing to have that distraction.

I'm not anonymous on here, either, and I've been pre-emptively cautioned by more than one professional source to not talk too much about the submission process in public places. Which works for me, since I'm somewhat tight-lipped anyway.

I do love hearing and sharing good news, though.

PPPPHHH if I were EVER lucky enough to get a six figure publishing contract, I'd post my rejections too! But I never thought SM'srejection stats were all that impressive--not after trying to get published myself

Why were you cautioned not to share?

Hey has anyone ever gotten the 'oh we have something similar' reject (of course someone on here has ) THAT one makes me really cringe *YOUCH! why didn't I get there sooner!*

[kellion92]

Soulcascade, I just got the "something similar" rejection. What can you do?

Per SM, there was a very annoying article in WSJ about the end of the slush pile on Friday, and it quoted as shocking SM's "rejected by 15 agents" stat. Er, so?

I didn't want to sound like a baby, but I was a little saddened by the Tenth Circle too. It's like I finally got by the bouncer and now I find out all the cool people are in the VIP room. But we're all cool! And they share their premium bottle service with us, so I can't complain.

[soulcascade]

Originally Posted by kellion92

Soulcascade, I just got the "something similar" rejection. What can you do?

Per SM, there was a very annoying article in WSJ about the end of the slush pile on Friday, and it quoted as shocking SM's "rejected by 15 agents" stat. Er, so?

I didn't want to sound like a baby, but I was a little saddened by the Tenth Circle too. It's like I finally got by the bouncer and now I find out all the cool people are in the VIP room. But we're all cool! And they share their premium bottle service with us, so I can't complain.

Humm maybe we can cry on each other's shoulders...

I KNOW people are *shocked* SM got rejected by "so many agents" um, her stats are actually pretty stellar, and she didnt' even send her WIP out to that many people!

Can you post the link to that so I can read?

[kellion92]

Here you go:
The Death of the Slush Pile
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...351446274.html

Kind of interesting, kind of annoying, not entirely accurate.

[callalily61]

*hands out fancy cocktail napkins which happen to be beneath chocolate martinis*

[Juneluv12]

Originally Posted by soulcascade

Humm maybe we can cry on each other's shoulders...

I KNOW people are *shocked* SM got rejected by "so many agents" um, her stats are actually pretty stellar, and she didnt' even send her WIP out to that many people!

Can you post the link to that so I can read?

HAHA, my Grammy and I watched the Smeyer/Oprah interview, and when she said her stats and Oprah made it sound like the Impossible Dream, even my Grammy went, "Shoot, that's nothing! Look at what you went through!" LOL

And I'll admit I read Smeyers website, and I think she even sent to small pubs as well as agents. Her whole story is miraculous considering she never intended to write.

And JK Rowling's stats are far more depressing of what she went through....giving us all more hope!

I love reading authors(big and smalls) pub stories. that was what was awesome about Stephen King's On Writing, especially the fact he was going to trash Carrie, and his wife dug it out of the trash.

I just feel fortunate that so many of you AWer pubbed writers shared your stats on here, so I could read them and feel pumped. You hear one or two "sold within a month, a week, etc" and you start to feel that is the norm.

[HappyCamper]

If it helps, my pub passes had more to do with them wanting to take the story in a different direction. I think this is because the novel is actually quite difficult to put in one box (not quite romance, not quite literary, not quite historical, etc.). The editor who specialized in romance wanted it to be more romantic. The editor who specialized in upscale literary wanted it to be more...you get the idea. Luckily, the publisher we closed the deal with didn't specialize in any particular genre. They are primarily interested in the voice of the book regardless of whether its dark or quirky.

Your book's perfect home is out there. Believe and breathe.

[kellion92]

Originally Posted by callalily61

*hands out fancy cocktail napkins which happen to be beneath chocolate martinis*

Oooo, Lily, I feel like a VIP. Yum.

Oh, Happy Camper, where is my perfect match??? I need eHarmony for my manuscript.

[HappyCamper]

haha! But seriously, wouldn't this publishing thing be a whole lot easier if it had some sort of dating service system?

86k Offbeat Adult Fiction seeks long-term relationship with Tall, Dark, and Handsome Publisher. Seven figure book deal preferred. Must like dogs.

[madderblue]

Originally Posted by Other Lisa

I've had only Macs with the exception of my very first computer...an Amiga!

I wonder if we're the same age. My first computer was an Amiga too. I think my dad still has it in his closet. All I did was play pong on it.

I bought my first MacBook this past spring and love it. Then I discovered Scrivener and now I'm like crazy, madly in love with it. Scrivener *Homer Simpson drool*

[Juneluv12]

Originally Posted by HappyCamper

haha! But seriously, wouldn't this publishing thing be a whole lot easier if it had some sort of dating service system?

86k Offbeat Adult Fiction seeks long-term relationship with Tall, Dark, and Handsome Publisher. Seven figure book deal preferred. Must like dogs.

That's awesome!

What really sucks is when you're in the dating world and on submission. I used to say it sucked to get rejected by the male population and the agent world in the same day! LOL


You get so tired of the "he's just not in to you OR your manuscript!" LOL

[YAwriter72]

Am home today! Woohoo! Boss called at 7 this morning to tell me she was calling a snow day. Man I love my job! LOL

Now I am seriously going to try to get some word count in. Hubs is downstairs on his computer, niece came over and is entertaining the boys, so I have "me" time. Now someone just turn off my internet and I'll be productive! LOL

And I totally agree we need a dating service for MS!! Course EVERYONE would be trying to get tall, dark and handsome and that would leave all the chubby, balding, broke ones! LOL

[Wordwrestler]

Originally Posted by madderblue

I wonder if we're the same age. My first computer was an Amiga too. I think my dad still has it in his closet. All I did was play pong on it.

I bought my first MacBook this past spring and love it. Then I discovered Scrivener and now I'm like crazy, madly in love with it. Scrivener *Homer Simpson drool*

Yes! I got Scrivener last spring and love it so much I use it for almost everything—from my kids' school projects to stuff for the non-profit I'm involved in, to all my household info. It's such a brilliant way to organize a bunch of separate documents, yet within one document.

And for writing, I love the research feature and the way I can keep copies of old drafts in there to refer to, pictures, etc. Also, I'm a pantser, but titling the different scenes I write means it almost outlines for me, though of course I move them around a lot. Love how easy that is, too!

[soulcascade]

Originally Posted by kellion92

Here you go:
The Death of the Slush Pile
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...351446274.html

Kind of interesting, kind of annoying, not entirely accurate.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Juneluv12

HAHA, my Grammy and I watched the Smeyer/Oprah interview, and when she said her stats and Oprah made it sound like the Impossible Dream, even my Grammy went, "Shoot, that's nothing! Look at what you went through!" LOL

And I'll admit I read Smeyers website, and I think she even sent to small pubs as well as agents. Her whole story is miraculous considering she never intended to write.

And JK Rowling's stats are far more depressing of what she went through....giving us all more hope!

I love reading authors(big and smalls) pub stories. that was what was awesome about Stephen King's On Writing, especially the fact he was going to trash Carrie, and his wife dug it out of the trash.

I just feel fortunate that so many of you AWer pubbed writers shared your stats on here, so I could read them and feel pumped. You hear one or two "sold within a month, a week, etc" and you start to feel that is the norm.

Agreed, I get more pumped seeing (our own AWer) say Cindy Pon's stats, or Stephen King or Rowling, That's more realistic in my opinion. LOLOL @ your grandma's reaction! Priceless

Originally Posted by HappyCamper

If it helps, my pub passes had more to do with them wanting to take the story in a different direction. I think this is because the novel is actually quite difficult to put in one box (not quite romance, not quite literary, not quite historical, etc.). The editor who specialized in romance wanted it to be more romantic. The editor who specialized in upscale literary wanted it to be more...you get the idea. Luckily, the publisher we closed the deal with didn't specialize in any particular genre. They are primarily interested in the voice of the book regardless of whether its dark or quirky.

Your book's perfect home is out there. Believe and breathe.

That gives me hope HC! My 2 passes (so far) have been 'we have something too similar' which makes me wonder (I admit, prematurely) whether ALL of my rejections will be like that *pant pant shifty eyes etc*

Originally Posted by HappyCamper

haha! But seriously, wouldn't this publishing thing be a whole lot easier if it had some sort of dating service system?

86k Offbeat Adult Fiction seeks long-term relationship with Tall, Dark, and Handsome Publisher. Seven figure book deal preferred. Must like dogs.

BWAHAHA LOVE IT!!!

Originally Posted by YAwriter72

And I totally agree we need a dating service for MS!! Course EVERYONE would be trying to get tall, dark and handsome and that would leave all the chubby, balding, broke ones! LOL

LOL then we'd hear 'blad broke publisher seeking someone..ANYONE to write a story

[kellion92]

Is it pathetic that the Newbery, Printz, Caldecott, and other ALA announcements are making me feel particularly wistful today? It's such a reminder of how very, very distant my dream remains.

ETA: Ack. I just admitted it. My dream is not only to be published, but someday (not this current submission, but someday) win a Newbery. I have many, many circles of hell ahead of me.

[soulcascade]

Hey it's okay to admit it! Dreams are meant to be big, I dream of being on the NYT bestseller list. I was surprized that book got the Printz award, I tried reading it and just could not get into it...

[callalily61]

I have dreams of winning the Edgar.

Dream BIG, Hellions!

And keep chocolate handy.