Your Outside World vs. Your Erotica

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So we touched on this on another thread and I saw glimmers of it in side comments as I searched through the boards ... but I think it's very interesting, and helpful, to see how others in our genre handle being IN the genre.

When people ask you what you do, whether you have a day job or not, do you limit your response to "I'm a writer, I write fiction"? Do you fudge and say you write romance?

Or do you baldly say you write erotica and dare them to look you in the eye and judge you?

If you DO tell others you write erotica, do you limit who you tell it to? (Ie, only your absolute closest friends and spouse know, but not your parents, not your children, etc.) Or do you tell anyone and everyone and just control how much you say to each?

Do you really worry about it getting out and around at church, your job, at PTA?

Are you up front about it when you date and meet someone new or do you wait until it develops into something serious? (In which case, if you wait, do you feel guilty like you kept a big dirty secret, or are you practical about it?)

Does your spouse know, and are they supportive?

Have you ever had someone you loved/cared for/trusted (friend, family, etc.) discover what you do and demean/judge you? Do you accept what they have to say as true and struggle, or do you challenge them? Do you call a truce?

On the positive side of all this, have you ever had anyone POSITIVELY react to discovering what you write, out in world? Anyone eager to read what you write and support you?

How do YOU feel about the erotica you write?

How do you think most OTHER people you meet feel about what you write?
 
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I don't write erotica for a paying gig, so I don't know if I'm the audience for your question.

I'm not ashamed of the fact that I occasionally turn my hand to it. It's a challenging form to master. It's not my main focus however. (I'm a screenwriter.)

I've told some family and friends. It depends on the person. Mostly the subject will come up when discussing 'writing' in general. "I've written some science fiction, some fantasy - I wrote a novel, and some short form erotica - but mostly I write screenplays..." - that sort of comment. Usually doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Whats YOUR experience with disclosure?

Again, its not my primary gig, so I'm not sure thats the answer you're looking for.

And seeing as how you're so close to SF, like me, you're in a more liberal state of being :)
 

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I write in the closet with invisible ink so there is no proof ;)

Actually, your post brings to mind the reason I tend to not tell anyone.
It's automatically assumed that if one writes erotica that it is a memoir and the writer must be one kinky bastard. I've seen many reactions and when I get the raised eyebrows and "Really" snicker, I ask them if they believe that Stephen King is really a murderer.

I find it funny, really , that this genre is the only one that it is usually assumed the writer is writing about personal experience and not given credit for the creative mind.
 

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ahoy, thanks for answering! well, i meant the question for EVERY writer, published or not, mainly writing erotica or not.

personally, i know that we're in the bay area which is supposedly more sexually open than other regions BUT - sometimes it seems to be lip service. like we're all hip and smart and edgy but when someone finds out i write erotica they're not so flexible or they take the "liberal" thing too far.

as an example, at my company, a manager - who was two levels above me - found out through the internet grapevine and came over to my cube one day, read some g rated poetry of mine up on my cube wall, and went into loud exaggerated swoons about how hot and raunchy it was for 5 minutes. she and i weren't friends and this came out of nowhere. i was, needless to say, uncomfortable.

i've dated guys and tried waiting - and not waiting - to explain what i do.

some guys get real intimidated and back away after a few dates or conversations. some guys get OVER excited and assume i do or will do all sorts of things just because i told them this.

in writing circles i never say i'm writing erotica unless i'm in a rebellious mood. honestly in mainstream writing circles and workshops, genre writing is especially looked down on and i knew based on comments about my mainstream work that if i were to start turning in or discussing erotica i'd hit a total brick wall.

sometimes i'll share what i do but usually it's someone i've been around for quite some time. at this point they're comfortable enough knowing me that when they learn what I write, they don't freak out.

i have never told members of my family. however i've got bookshelves full of erotica that i don't hide when they come to visit. if they were to google me they'd see i clearly write it.

my best friend of 13 years was convinced i wrote porn and felt "writing about bodily functions and the exchange of fluids is unnecessary. it's excessive and pointless. it's gross and unattractive. i do not need to read about body parts in detail and what goes on between those body parts during sex."

i told her she was a prude and she got mad at me and we had a big fight and i just gave up. over the years she grew more and more conservative in this viewpoint and i began to realize that someone who has such a core problem with what i write and can't respect it - is someone who in the end has a problem with me and can't respect ME.

maybe that's extreme, i dunno, but it took a few years for me to get there. at which point i had to kind of put my foot down and pull away from the friendship, which was sad.

note this is the same friend who said, when i asked her "what if i told you i had a new partner, and they were female?" - "i'd still be your friend but i wouldn't want to know her or listen to you talk about her." i was pretty shocked. i realized then our core values were majorly at odds with one another.

... so yeah. it can be hard, dealing with this ...

i'm definitely happy to have found an online community with successful people in the genre that clearly support each other and have found support in their various online and offline relationships.
 
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Regardless of what you write or your intended audience you should be proud of your creative ability. I agree in some settings it may not be "socially" acceptable to boast your talents (PTA meetings), but just be grateful that you are not miserable at work like most people. For the record--have you ever done a demographic search of your target market? You may be pleasantly surprised. It is a new day with new ideals. If people really judge you by what you write they are sorely bored in their own shallow lives. Hey at least by knowing you they would be gauranteed to a great bedtime story--their loss! Be proud of what you do--period.
 

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I'd say your boss was a childish idiot, and your 'friend' a repressed dolt... but then I tend to overestimate people.

Sure, excercise descretion in how you reveal it, and who you reveal it to. But then that's good advice for anything you wouldn't print on a postcard anyway.

I've lived in places MUCH less 'liberal' than the bay area -believe me its a different feeling entirely.

Keep writing, and enjoy your work. Let other people sort out their issues.
 

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I do have a day job, that isn't writing. If writing comes up I am happy to explain that I write romance, fantasy and erotica. But on the whole I don't talk about it a lot except with those directly involved.
 

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>>When people ask you what you do...<<
I just say I'm a writer. Their eyes light up and almost everyone follows that with, "Really? What have you written?"

Now I play the audience here. Some guy I just met who's son is on the same baseball team as my son I say something like, "Anything anyone is willing to pay for." This gets a laugh and I let them soak on that for a bit. If they're interested they'll ask for specifics and I'll tell the truth. Two years ago, one guy asked me to send him all the girl on girl stuff I've written, he's been helping me workshop ever since. LOL

Short answer: I play it by ear.

>>Do you really worry about it getting out and around at church, your job, at PTA?<<
I'm an atheist so church doesn't apply to me. This is my job so that doesn't apply to me. PTA, good question. I live in a really conservative suburb of a really conservative city so there would be some fallout if this happened. But I'm not afraid of it happening. If it gets out, so what, I'm secure in my bestiality, I mean, sexuality.

>>Does your spouse know, and are they supportive?<<
Oh yeah! It reignited our sex life. It's never been better. I'm very lucky to have her.


>>...ever had someone you loved/cared for/trusted discover what you do and demean/judge you?<<
No, but everyone who knows me like that, would not be surprised to find out that I write in this genre.

>>...had anyone POSITIVELY react to discovering what you write...?<<
Yes, my wife, the guy I mentioned above and a few others. I won't go into details but let's just say the reaction was so positive, it ended up being wonderful material for more stories.

>>How do YOU feel about the erotica you write?<<
It's fiction (for the most part) and getting paid for writing it makes it so much better. It's the funnest part of my job.

>>How do you think most OTHER people you meet feel about what you write?<<
Oh I don't have any illusions. They probably talk badly about me behind my back, most people do that about anybody anyway so the way I figure it, if they're bad mouthing me then that means somebody else gets off easy.
 

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thanks guys, for sharing! it's awesome to hear how others deal with it, and FYI some have pinged me off thread so people are definitely interested. i hope more of you will share. :)

FYI, I personally use my real name all over my erotica and have no shame whatsoever about what I do. I am proud of it, actually. ;) All the prudes and narrow-minded folk can suck my ... amazing stories! hehe.
 

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There was a time when I worried what my husband's socially conservative and sexually repressed family would think. Then we had kids, and I worried much more about any potential for negative impact for them if it came out that mommy wrote dirty stories for money.

I use multiple pen names for my erotica (depending on its slant), and since I still dabble in other genres, when someone asks what I write, I, too, play it by ear, mentioning "suspense, humor, erotica, a play, you know, a range of stuff."

Maryn, who's about to sent out a suspense story