October book study: Never Let Me Go

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Hello, and welcome to the SF/F Book Study. This thread is for discussion of Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro.

***Spoilers*** will be streaking naked through this thread unpredictably. You have been warned.

And here are the previous book studies:

2008:
Ender's Game (August)
Lies of Locke Lamora (September)
A Deepness in the Sky (October)
A Fire in the Deep (November)
Storm Front (December)

2009:
I Am Legend (January)
The Onion Girl (February)
Lord of Light (March)
Small Gods (April)
Beggars in Spain (May)
The Once and Future King (June)
Foundation (July)
The Graveyard Book (August)
Neuromancer (September)
The Last Wish (October)
The Knife of Never Letting Go (November)
One Hundred Years of Solitude (December)

2010:
Battle Royale (January)
Jhereg (February)
Cyberabad Days (March)
Tigana (April)
Next (May)
Perdido Street Station (June/July)
Boneshaker (August)
His Majesty's Dragon (September)

Thank you to Broken Fingers for starting the book study!
 

ELMontague

I've only just started it. It's a bit slow and kind of contemporary. I suspect that they are all cloned organ donors or something like that. I like it so far, but I'm reserving judgment for now.
 

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I really liked this book. I wasn't expecting to, but the writing just kept drawing me in deeper and deeper.

One thing that I loved was the way the author chose to do the narration, having it not only in first person but addressing the reader. What makes it work for me is how Kathy H. talks to the reader. She talks to you as though you are in the very same situation she is in ("I don't know how it was where you were, but at Hailsham..."). It creates a very creepy atmosphere, and even made me feel a little guilty as it was like someone confiding in you when they really shouldn't.

At first I wrote off the central premise of the novel as unrealistic, but as the book went on and I thought more about it I could see it happening. Maybe not exactly as it was in the book, but something similar. It made me think about how there's already so much cruel and unfair shit that goes on in the world, so maybe the system described in the book isn't so out of character for the human race.

I could go on as there's so much to talk about in this book both stylistically and story-wise, but I'll stop for now. I'm looking forward to hearing other AWers thoughts :).
 

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I have to confess I'm struggling. I'm about 70 pages in, and it feels like he's still setting up for a story that is to come. It feels like a giant info dump. There is way too much "But first let me explain what I mean by..." Get to the story, already.

My interest is up by wondering what is meant by donation, what the children are being trained for, and how all this fits together. I have my suspicions, but he's taking so long to move the story along.
 

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I didn't like this book. It was highly recommended by a friend who doesn't read Sci-fi or fantasy... he loved it.

Me, I read the first page - I kid you not, I'm not exaggerating. The first page was enough for me to know what was going on. Yes, I knew what they were and... well, I wouldn't want to spoil the whole thing so early in the thread.
Maybe it's because I've read sci-fi before? I don't know why, but nothing in the book took me by surprise. Jeez, I was more surprised by the secret nazi in "The Remains of the Day"!

And once I discovered the Big Secret, the book dissolved into a rather boring romantic triangle. You know, I loved almost every other book by Ishiguro, but this one... well, it was not for me.
 

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See, I think the 'secret' is supposed to be obvious (I had seen the movie trailer before picking up the book, and that was enough to tip me off). What really got me wasn't the idea behind the donations, but the the matter-of-fact way everyone treats it. I too have read other sci-fi stories with the same concept, and in all of them that I can remember the characters rail against their fate and usually even win in the end. I like that that doesn't happen here.

I will pick on one aspect of the book that I did find unintentionally funny: Kathy H. loves her cliffhangers. After the fourth or fifth time she ended a segment with "But I didn't realize just how things were until I ran into Tommy that day by the shed" or some other kind of vague hint, I couldn't help but laugh. It's fun leafing through the book and finding scene breaks and seeing if they end on some kind of mundane cliff-hanger (I just did it now and came up two for four).
 

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Gabby - interesting about your non-sci-fi friend. I'm much more of a contemporary fan that sf/f. As of about page 80, I don't see anything sci-fi about it. As mentioned, this book is barely holding my interest.

What I do like is we are getting hints about what's going on (mysterious donations, a shady gallery where stuff goes, the kids being trained for "something," and then learning they are not able to have children). If not for these hints I would have stopped reading 40 pages ago. I said above this feels very info-dumpy (I'm on page 80 or so and I'm waiting for the story to start in earnest), and if you were going to do an infodump putting little clues to later in the book would be one way to do it.

I can't help but project where I think the book is going, and the political/social implications are obvious. If it is going where I think it is, I will be interested in seeing how it is handled, and if not I'm hoping I'll be surprised.

Sai - Yep, I laugh too at the cliffhangers. It's like he expects us to gasp and hold our hand to our mouths "What do you mean Miss Emily explained everything? Oh my, I must keep reading!" What also drives me nuts is the "But first let me explain about the 'tokens.' " This constant stopping to explain stuff is why I think it's so info-dumpy.
 

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I'm glad that AbsoluteWrite is doing this as their October book study! I keep meaning to get a copy of this book, I've heard such good things about it and it sounds like something I'd find interesting. Maybe I should check it out from the library.
 

ELMontague

OK, still not reading everyone's above. I am not finished with the book. The fact that I've had it going on three weeks and haven't finished it says something about my life, but it says something about the book too. It's nice writing, but it's taking for f'n ever to get anywhere.
 

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I do like is we are getting hints about what's going on (mysterious donations, a shady gallery where stuff goes, the kids being trained for "something," and then learning they are not able to have children). If not for these hints I would have stopped reading 40 pages ago. I said above this feels very info-dumpy (I'm on page 80 or so and I'm waiting for the story to start in earnest).

Yes, it's veeeery slow paced. There are sections I liked - the one that explains the name of the book, for instance, is delightful. But for most of the time I was annoyed at the two girls - one for being so bossy, the other for not taking things into her own hands... I kind of liked the boy, was he named Tommy? (sorry, I read this a while ago)

All in all, what was more interesting for me is that... well, this could've easily transformed into the most clichèd sci-fi ever, complete with an escape from an evil corporation and plenty of shooting. Lazer shootin'!!
And yet, it didn't.
Good or bad, you decide.
 

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Sorry folks, I'm bailing out on this one. I'm closing the book and reading something else. That's probably no surprise given my posts above.

Here are my reasons: The only thing holding my interest was the mystery of what the children were being trained for, but that was explained on page 80 or so. Okay, so the kids are being reared to be carers for organ donors and then will be organ donors themselves. Once that was revealed, the plot didn't develop into anything that made me wonder what was going to happen next. The main character had no problem with this fate, so she had no motivation to move the story along herself. In fact, there seemed to be no central conflict to the story at all. The main character was passive in a world without conflict. Ho-hum. If there were hints to something building then I missed them entirely.

I also have to confess to some sour grapes. Ishigoru did a lot of things I try hard to avoid in my own writing: scene descriptions that don't add anything but words, subplots and character conflicts that don't go anywhere, and pages at a time without dialog. I cut a lot of things I liked in my book to reduce word count, and here he is flaunting them in my face :) . I know I have a lot to learn about writing, and why these things work in this book and not in mine is one of the things I haven't learned yet. Alternatively, the lesson is "if I don't want to write like that, then don't worry about how he writes."

Either way, this was a great exercise for me and thanks for the opportunity! I'm doing NaNo next month, but I'll probably do another book study in the future.
 

ELMontague

Ok, I'm going to finish the book, because I ain't no quitter. But the book is slow, not my cup of tea.
 

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Bump!

I have to confess I'm struggling. I'm about 70 pages in, and it feels like he's still setting up for a story that is to come. It feels like a giant info dump. There is way too much "But first let me explain what I mean by..." Get to the story, already.

My interest is up by wondering what is meant by donation, what the children are being trained for, and how all this fits together. I have my suspicions, but he's taking so long to move the story along.

This about sums up my thoughts. When I read a line that went something like 'I'll explain about That later' I rolled my eyes b/c I knew it would be another drawn out little story. I put the book down for good soon after.

I think there was some good concepts in this story, and some nice writing, but no real conflict or true suspense to get me interested. I think Tommy's intro was the strongest overall part of the opening, but it came across far too plainly.

And the good news is, the November Book Study book is wonderful.

Which is the main reason I put this book down. Thank goodness someone lent me their copy of The Child Thief ;) I'm still very early in but Brom isn't holding back at all. Once I finish I'll have lots to say in TCT's thread.
 

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Aw, I liked Never Let Me Go. I'd agree it had its info dump moments... and my biggest problem with it was it really didn't feel... suspenseful, I guess... but it's all told from a flashback so that's never going to be suspenseful, right? But part of the reason it lacks any real suspense is because the main character, Kathy, is so... I don't know what the word is... she's a doormat. She doesn't make any decisions or take action, she just observes, which is great for us as readers to see what's going on but also bad because we don't feel involved.

I like the final reveal at the end when they confront Madame and find the truth about Hailsham and all that. It's really fairly depressing.

I think that's why I liked the book, it didn't really end the way I thought it would.
 
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